Yanks get Nathan Eovaldi

[Greg]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Source: Yankees are on the verge of acquiring P Nathan Eovaldi from Marlins for Martin Prado. Teams still talking, finalizing the deal.</p>— Jack Curry (@JackCurryYES) <a href="

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Can confirm <a href="https://twitter.com/JackCurryYES">@JackCurryYES</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Yankees?src=hash">#Yankees</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Marlins?src=hash">#Marlins</a> finalizing Prado/Phelps for Garret Jones/Nate Eovaldi</p>— Joel Sherman (@Joelsherman1) <a href="

">December 19, 2014</a></blockquote>

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I really like this deal for Yanks.

[Peace21]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Can confirm <a href="https://twitter.com/JackCurryYES">@JackCurryYES</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Yankees?src=hash">#Yankees</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Marlins?src=hash">#Marlins</a> finalizing Prado/Phelps for Garret Jones/Nate Eovaldi</p>— Joel Sherman (@Joelsherman1) <a href="

">December 19, 2014</a></blockquote>

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[clapdiddy]

Eovaldi was a guy I wanted. Look at his FIP numbers. I think with our defense, he would have been a GREAT fit.

[Aristotelian]

This does seem like the kind of guy that turns into a stud when he joins the Yankees, and they need pitching.

That said, I thought Prado was their starting 2B. Maybe they are going for Asdrubal?

[Tryptamine]

I can't believe they got Eovaldi for so little. 3.37FIP,3.78xFIP,95.7MPH fastball. If the Yankees are able to teach him a put away pitch to fix his horrible 6.4K/9, this guy has solid #2 or great #3 written all over him.

[LocoChris]

I can't believe they got Eovaldi for so little. 3.37FIP,3.78xFIP,95.7MPH fastball. If the Yankees are able to teach him a put away pitch to fix his horrible 6.4K/9, this guy has solid #2 or great #3 written all over him.

Because he's not good.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/e/eovalna01.shtml

And those numbers are in one of the biggest parks in the NL, which means he faces only 8 hitters.

But I'm sure now that he has the magical Yankee pixie dust he'll win 19 games with a 2.50 ERA.

[Tryptamine]

Because he's not good.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/e/eovalna01.shtml

And those numbers are in one of the biggest parks in the NL, which means he faces only 8 hitters.

But I'm sure now that he has the magical Yankee pixie dust he'll win 19 games with a 2.50 ERA.

FIP and xFIP are park and league adjusted. Guys who average nearly 96 on their fastballs and put up 3.37FIPs do not suck. He simply doesn't have a ton of movement on his fastball. If he went the Jake Arrieta route and learned how to throw a strong cutter he'd improve his numbers a ton.

[25 Nuggets]

FIP and xFIP are park and league adjusted. Guys who average nearly 96 on their fastballs and put up 3.37FIPs do not suck. He simply doesn't have a ton of movement on his fastball. If he went the Jake Arrieta route and learned how to throw a strong cutter he'd improve his numbers a ton.

Fair enough; but he doesn't have that pitch yet. I don't know how much he'll help in 2015.

Prado meanwhile was going to be one of their best position players. I guess their thinking is, Prado was going to be the 3B and they are going young at 2B. Which means Headley made Prado redundant. Anyway I think this is a move that hurts them in 2015.

[CA-ORIOLE]

FIP and xFIP are park and league adjusted. Guys who average nearly 96 on their fastballs and put up 3.37FIPs do not suck. He simply doesn't have a ton of movement on his fastball. If he went the Jake Arrieta route and learned how to throw a strong cutter he'd improve his numbers a ton.

That's not really true. FIP is adjusted so that league average ERA and league average FIP are the same. If a pitcher has a higher than normal ERA in a hitters park then he will also likely have a higher FIP as well. How well an individual pitchers ERA and FIP correlate (or diverge) is dependent on a number of factors. FIP is also NOT park adjusted. xFIP is adjusted only for a leaque average HR/FB rate. FIP- is park/league adjusted measure of FIP. I'm fairly confident that fWAR applies a park/league adjustment though.

[Tryptamine]

That's not really true. FIP is adjusted so that league average ERA and league average FIP are the same. If a pitcher has a higher than normal ERA in a hitters park then he will also likely have a higher FIP as well. How well an individual pitchers ERA and FIP correlate is dependent on a number of factors. FIP is also NOT park adjusted. xFIP is adjusted only for a leaque average HR/FB rate. FIP- is park/league adjusted measure of FIP. I'm fairly confident that fWAR applies a park/league adjustment though.

It does which is why you see some people with nearly identical FIP,xFIP with fairly drastically different fWAR.

[CA-ORIOLE]

It does which is why you see some people with nearly identical FIP,xFIP with fairly drastically different fWAR.

Yeah, I'm just less sure how they apply it as compared to rWAR.